Gravatt Research Notes

Gravatt Family History Research – the contradictory information on the net.

This is pertinent to a branch of the Sussex Gravatts and my London Gravatt family

For reference I have:

My Gravatt Family Tree

Sussex Gravatts Family Tree (covers John Gravet born abt 1490 down to the children of John Grevatt and Sarah Jays up to 1800)

Will of John Gravatt of Windmill Street 1834

 


 

I have decided to do this to try and clarify and separate the conflicting Gravatt family research I have seen on the internet especially of many ancestry.co.uk public member trees.  While it could either prove or disprove a connection between the two branches (at least in this period of note, 1700s), it may also hopefully help other researchers along the way and clarify things for me as I go along as it does get very confusing!. 

I have been researching my Gravatt line for many years – since mid 1980s and have been stuck for some time on the origins of my 5 x Great Grandfather John Gravatt, a Newsman of Windmill Street, St. Luke’s, London, died in 1834 aged 70.   He had a son John, also a Newsman of Windmill Street.  He had died in 1822 and was buried at St. Luke’s.

Two important pieces of information then came my way.

1. A Grave stone with inscriptions, proving the link between John born abt 1787 (son of John d 1834) and the other family members buried with him:

and

2.  The Will of John Gravatt senior dated 11 Jan 1834 in which he mentions two daughter-in-laws, a sister and nieces and grand children.

I already knew about John junior, and his sons his sons William and John but Mary from the grave stone was new information.  It seemed logical that she was John juniors’s mother.  And indeed I then found a marriage of John Gravatt to Mary Wright at St. Dunstan & All Saints, Stepney on 1st August, 1786.  They were both ‘of this parish’ in the Hamlet of Mile End Old Town. She was buried just 4 years before her husband John senior also at St. Lukes. 

From the Will, I pieced together John senior’s sibling Ann (Nanny in his will) and her family; 5 daughters with Thomas Horn, all from St Benett Paul’s Wharf, London together with the marriages of three of those daughters.  John senior’s will mentions nieces Hannah and Sophia Horn – these turned out to be the two that were still unmarried at the time of his will. Rebecca and Harriet were married in 1826 and 1824 respectively and the youngest daughter Rachel Martha had died in 1800, in infancy. 

One daughter-in-law mentioned is Hannah Gravatt, the widow of John Junior but I have been unable to track down the other daughter-in-law Sarah Barnes of Pentonville. This would suggest that John and Mary had another son who married a Sarah, died and then his widow remarried a Barnes.  I cannot find such a connection. 

The other niece he mentions in 1834 is Mrs Battice of Doncaster Place, Old Kent Road, a widow This could be a niece of either John or Mary and she is also proving difficult to track down. 

Furthermore, who were the parents of John b abt 1764 and his sister Ann born abt 1757? I did find one possible baptism for John, but there are problems:

Referring to my Gravatt Family Tree:

Scenario 1. IF John as the son of John Gravatt and Ann Ryall (married 28 Aug 1764 at St James Westminster) born 24.10.1765 and baptised 14 Nov 1765, then he would have had a brother Richard baptised 22 March, 1767. Richard is not mentioned in his will so we can assume he had died by 1834.  (Richard could have had a daughter that became Mrs Battice, John’s niece?) Also is the above is true, I can find no baptism for a sister Ann in around 1757 – this would have been six years before John and Ann’s marriage. Either that or Ann Horn’s age at death is incorrect? 

Scenario 2. Another option of our John is as the son of John Gravat and Ann, Tanner of Long Lane baptised on 29 April 1764 at St. Mary Magdalene, Bermondsey. I have also checked these registers for an Ann from 1756 to 1759 and not found anything.  My gut feeling is that these are not the correct parents. 

 


 

Fairly recently I started putting my family tree on ancestry.co.uk and I looked at various clues in the hope somebody out there were researching the same branches.

This is when I found a mass of conflicting information and was amazed to find that many people had attributed my 5 x Great Grandfather John Gravatt (abt 1764 – 1834) as the son of Thomas Gravet and Susannah Sayers/Sairs of Billingshurst and many also have my 4 x great grandfather John Gravatt who died in 1822 as being the son of John Gravatt and Sarah Jays

Referring to that Sussex Gravatt family tree, there is clearly a John Grevatt bp 24 Jan 1768 at Billingshurst, the son of Thomas and Susannah Sayers, but did this John marry Mary Wright in London in 1786 or Sarah Jays in Billingshurst in 1789?  I would wager the latter.  Quite apart from the location (and I realise that people did move to London to marry, live and work), if this is the John that left a will in 1834, he would have had a sister-in-law Ann Gravett (widow of brother Thomas) and a brother Francis plus different nieces and nephews, from his siblings ie other children of Thomas and Susannah.  

Then there is his son John born abt 1787 who married Hannah Steedman and died before him in 1822.  Is he the John born in Billingshurst in 1791? There are in fact two Johns baptised at Billingshurst in 1791; one is son of John and Sarah Jays bp 19.6.1791 and the other is the son of John’s brother Thomas Gravatt and Ann Redman bp 19.5.1791.  So I set out to see if either of these could be my John d 1822. 

I looked at the 1841 census a John Gravatt aged 50 living at Billingshurst; the same John appears in 1861 unmarried, born in Billingshurst. This John I believe, was buried on 3 Aug 1868 aged 77, ie born in 1791.  This would account for one of those Johns. I also found a John Gravatt buried 26 July 1820 at Pulborough aged 29 ie born in 1791. Pulborough was where Thomas and Susannah were buried and other members of the family were married. 

I have no idea which John died in 1820 and which died in 1868 but either way, neither of them died in 1822 and was buried at St. Lukes, together with a Mary. Ergo neither of them was born to Mary Wright and John Gravatt newsman. Added to that when John and Mary Wright were married they were both “of this parish and the hamlet of Mile End Old Town”.  In which case John b abt 1764, died 1834 was not the son of Thomas and Susannah. 

PLEASE  let me know if you think I have any if this wrong.  I have tried to be systematic in my approach, but I may be missing something. What a shame marriage certificates naming fathers were not around before 1837!! 

Questions: 

  1. Can anyone find a baptism record for Ann Gravat born about 1757 (82 when she died in 1839) born to a John Gravat ?
  2. Can anyone find the baptism of John Gravatt born about 1787, son of John and Mary?  other than John Graveat bp 19 Aug 1787 at West Ham All Saints, son of John and Mary Graveat.  There are other West Ham Gravatts including Sarah Mira Groveat, bp 2 May 1792, daughter of Thomas Groveat and Sarah. So far this is my only lead!
  3. Can anyone’s family tree account for Richard Gravatt, Banker of Fleet Street b abt 1740, died 1778 or his brother John Gravatt of St Giles in the Fields.

Please email me 

 

Sources

Public member trees in ancestry.co.uk

births, marriages and deaths from ancestry.co.uk

freeReg.org

familysearch.org

Billingshurst Parish Register Extracts by Marion Woolgar (happy to share)

 

 

 

2 Responses to “Gravatt Research Notes”

  • David Mills:

    I have a number of “Gravetts” in my Sussex Tree My 6th and 7th Great grandparents:

    Gravat, Jane
    1719 – Slinfold, Sussex 01 Aug 1719 – Slinfold, Sussex
    GRAVET(T), Sarah
    – 18 Feb 1743 – Slinfold, Sussex
    GRAVET(T) (GRAVAT), William
    – –
    Gravett (Gravat), James
    1726 – Slinfold, Sussex –
    Gravett (Gravat), John
    1723 –
    Gravett (Gravat), Sarah
    1725 – Slinfold, Sussex –
    Gravett (Gravat), William
    Oct 1718 – Slinfold, Sussex
    Plus
    Jane BOOKER nee GRAVIT (GRAVETT )
    1721–1780
    BIRTH 05 JAN 1721 • Slinfold, Sussex
    DEATH 17 DEC 1780 • Sompting, Sussex
    6th great-grandmother

    I wonder if they are related?

    • Hi David,

      Sorry, I have no information on any Gravatts from Slinfold. However, if you look on ancestry and search the public member trees there are quite a few people researching them, that may help you.
      best wishes
      Juliet

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